A bold new media start-up plans to create from scratch a news provider that will rival the likes of CNN, the New York Times and the BBC. The people behind it are Justin Smith, boss of Bloomberg Media, and Ben Smith, former editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News and media columnist at the New York Times. And with those two at the helm, journalists around the world are paying attention...
But what does this new company tell us about the state of global journalism, the aftermath of the Trump years and declining trust in the news?

Guest: Ben Smith, former editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed News

Studio engineer: Duncan Hannant
Producer: Hannah Sander
Editor: Richard Hooper
Presenter: Ros Atkins